Woody Pollack & Dineen Wasylik wearing bike helmets in front of the Boston skyline

Podcasts & PCAs

Woody Pollack & Dineen Wasylik wearing bike helmets in front of the Boston skyline

Woody & Dineen on a bicycle tour of Boston in May, 2019.
It was only 10 miles.
Photo courtesy of Woody Pollack and used with permission.

I am proud to be the featured guest on this week’s Issues on Appeal podcast, where I discussed my approach to analyzing a per curiam affirmance for current and new clients. The idea for this episode of the podcast came initially from one of our Appeals 101 blog posts, Florida Appeals 101: What is a PCA? That blog post turned into an in-house procedure for analyzing these cases — including giving people we did not represent on direct appeal a “second look” at the appellate court’s decision. And that turned into a chat with friend (and podcast founder) Duane Daiker, which eventually turned into this recorded discussion with Duane. Check it out!

One neat thing about this podcast episode is that Duane added a non-appellate conversation with my dear friend from the IP world, Woody Pollack, and the lessons he learned from not finishing an Ironman triathlon (even though he has previously finished a race). I think Woody’s story is a great match for this discussion of analyzing a PCA: There’s some disappointment involved, but also important lessons about how to deal with disappointment and move forward. Plus, we’re both nerds.

Finally, if you missed my earlier appearance on Issues on Appeal, where I talk about using social media for marketing without getting into legal trouble, check out episode 7. I am particularly honored to be the first repeat guest on the podcast!

What’s it like to appear before the United States Supreme Court? Let’s talk about it, podcast-style.

The United States Supreme Court hears oral argument from attorneys in only about 80 cases a year. Thus, many appellate attorneys never have the opportunity to experience what it is like to actually advocate in the High Court. I (Jared) recently learned what it is like appearing before the Supreme Court from Duane Daiker, a fellow board-certified appellate specialist in Tampa Bay and a good friend of DPW Legal, on the Issues on Appeal podcast.

Duane Daiker and Jared Krukar sit with studio monitors and microphones at a table while recording a podcast
Duane Daiker and Jared Krukar recording
the Issues on Appeal podcast.
Not pictured? The feather quill pen
memento Duane keeps in his office.
(Photo courtesy of Duane Daiker and used with permission.)

Duane is the creator and host of Issues on Appeal. Each week he speaks with fellow appellate practitioners about topics that are interesting to, well, the same people we suspect are interested in this Florida Appellate Procedure Weblog!

Duane recently took his first trip as an advocate to the Supreme Court. He sat second-chair on a case he handled through the trial and intermediate appellate stages. This visit was a perfect topic for his podcast. But rather than just talk about his visit himself on his podcast, Duane enlisted me to guest host his show, and turn the tables on him.

I asked every question I could come up with that all of us inquiring appellate nerds would want to ask. Where do you go when you enter the court? What’s security like? Who comes and talks to you? Is there a lawyers’ lounge? What’s it like sitting at counsel’s table? Did Justice Thomas ask a question? I hear you get a feather quill–can I touch it? (Yes, I really did ask, and yes, I did get to hold it. You know you would ask, too.) Our discussion was full of interesting tidbits about the preparation, the day of argument, the people at the Court, and the entire experience.

If this sounds interesting to you, check out Episode 4 of the Issues on Appeal podcast, “At the High Court.” You can check it out at the link or on iTunes, Google Podcasts, or Spotify.

And if you like that episode, listen to some of the other episodes. Duane has already had a number of great guests. Dineen and I are both slated to be guests for future episodes. What will we talk about? Stay tuned to find out.

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